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ricwis
10-29-200729th October 2007, 10:49 AM
What a weekend. Not only did I upgrade to Leopard but got a new iMac as well. Thought I would post my experience in case you might be considering either upgrading to Leopard and or investing in a new Mac. My MacBook and G5 had Tiger 10.5 as did the new Imac with a Leopard upgrade disk in the new box.

First thing you have to do is shut out all of the chatter, noise, nonsense, and other ramblings that go on in many forums and even in reviews. Having upgraded to Leopard on my MacBook laptop first, then on my new iMac, I found most of the chatter to be off the mark. Reviews can be very subjective in things like how the reviewer likes the interface or GUI changes and have to be read in that light. What I found is there is a tendency to bring how "I've always done it" to something brand new and then right away dismiss the new as awful or stupid and never take the little time needed to work with it or even learn the new before trashing it. This is especially true in things new to the interface like Stacks, Spaces, or the translucent look.

It is a good idea to disconnect all peripherals like USB hubs and devices and external drives before doing the OS upgrade. This just prevents any potential problems from those devices.

First the MacBook. I made a complete system backup using SuperDuper. It is always good to have a system back up that includes everything. Then I chose to do an update since I already have a complete backup on an external drive. The update went smoothly, taking about 40 minutes. When it was done, Leopard booted just fine, all my files and applications were intact and worked as expected. The only application problem was with SuperDuper, the backup program. The has already been know to not work with Leopard and a fix is in development. PhotoShop CS3 works fine as do all of my other apps.

For the iMac I was upgrading from a G5 Tower. Again, I made a complete system backup of my G5 system. This next thing is important to do. Deactivate and uninstall Photoshop CS3 on the old system. Some have said they just deactivated but I did not want to take the chance. I then used the Apple Migration Assistant that moved my account, files, and applications to the new iMac. Took a little less than 2 hours to do the move since I was using the slower Firewire 400. After the move, I verified that everything made it over and worked as expected. No problems here either. My apps, documents, photos, mail, and contacts all were there. After I was assured that things worked, I upgraded to Leopard. Again, this went smoothly and took about 40 minutes. After Leopard was installed, I installed and activated Photoshop CS3 with no problems.

Its been fun to learn the new OS. There are so many new features that it will be awhile till I've looked at many of them. And the new iMac? Working with a 24" screen is incredible. I opted for the 2.4 Ghz but have 4 Gig of RAM. I find the glossy screen is not a problem and I am not even aware of it. Colors pop. I calibrated it with the Eye1 Display2.

I was pleased that things went as smoothly as they did.

Mao
10-29-200729th October 2007, 11:39 AM
Glad to hear everything went smooth Rich. I've read good and bad re installation and I won't find out until the end of Nov. when I can sit down and upgrade both the tower and the MacPro.

I've never had any problems upgrading with Apple OS, so I'm relieved that everthing should be ok.

Yeah! finally I won't have a cluttered desktop! Woohoo.

Thanks for your input.

ricwis
10-29-200729th October 2007, 02:22 PM
I hope it goes well for you too. The bad experiences for the upgrade seem to come from those who have installed certain apps (like one called APE) that put hooks into the kernel and cause all kids of problems. Apple has identified this as one of the major causes of upgrade problems. I would expect there would be a few for whatever reason but this is my third time doing an upgrade and it has gone as smooth as the others.

Wait until you use Spaces. Wow, it just un-clutters the desktop. I am using three of the available four. One is for email and internet, one for games (like card games and MahJong) and the third is photo editing.

I find it very snappy and responsive too.

dmwphoto
10-29-200729th October 2007, 03:48 PM
It has not gone as smooth on my MacPro. It went fine on my MacBook Pro. Aperture and Lightroom are not compliant with the new code yet.

ricwis
10-29-200729th October 2007, 04:36 PM
There is an Aperture update that is available. I downloaded it on Saturday and Aperture works fine. Check software update and it should be available for you.

dmwphoto
10-29-200729th October 2007, 04:42 PM
Thanks Rich. I downloaded that 1.5.6 update Friday afternoon. The problem came about when Time Machine did a back up during one of my sessions on Aperture. That corrupted my database and the program has been unstable at best since then. Apple announced a warning on this AFTER I had already been hosed. It will be fine I am sure, but it aint fine right now. I have an image library of over 17000 RAW files.

ricwis
10-29-200729th October 2007, 05:33 PM
Sorry to hear about that. I hope you can get things recovered. I know this is a real problem with Aperture and Time Machine. I guess I am fortunate as I do not use Aperture a whole lot and am still stuck in Photoshop mode (The main reason is Aperture will not and never has been able to print correctly to my Kodak 1400 printer and I don't want to do the export game just to print). I also decided not to use Time Machine now since I have a backup routine using Super Duper. Now if they just get Super Duper upgraded.

I wonder if it is possible to tell Time Machine not to back up anything related to Aperture. I don't know what solution Apple will come up with.

If I come across any solution to the problem, I will be sure to post it.

dmwphoto
10-29-200729th October 2007, 05:41 PM
Thanks Rich, I will do the same and post any info and links that matter here in your thread. I am sure it will all be fine before long.

Kevin
10-29-200729th October 2007, 07:06 PM
All this Mac lingo is like a foreign language.

That said, I'm more than mildly curious about the whole Mac experience. :brows:

Rudi
10-29-200729th October 2007, 08:10 PM
Don't do it Kevin! You will never look at a PC the same way again... :D

Personally, I'm holding off Leopard until later this year, or maybe January, when I will buy a new Mac laptop. Then, if Epson have upgraded their Pro 3800 printer driver to work with Leopard, I will migrate all my machines across. If not, I will keep one with Tiger installed on it, just for printing... :)

Rudi
10-30-200730th October 2007, 03:06 AM
Well, I just checked the Epson website, and Apple's Leopard page, and it turns out that both my Epson photo printers (R800 and Pro 3800) are already supported! (Take that, Vista! ;) ). So, I really have no excuse not to buy Leopard now... except that there is no rush, Tiger is working so well for me - I can wait until I buy the new Mac in a few weeks. :D

Kevin
10-30-200730th October 2007, 05:04 AM
Rudi, I got to try Mao's mac laptop (macbook pro?) when we were in Canada. There were some quirky things about it, but that could've been partly due to no mouse. It took me a bit but I finally got the hang of it and using Aperture (or Lightroom?). I should really not type messages before finishing my first cup of coffee.... :)

Anyway, I will seriously be looking at a Mac the next round of computer upgrades.

Jeff M
10-30-200730th October 2007, 05:31 AM
I have a desktop Mac, PM G5 that I bought shortly before the intel Macs were announced. So I can't speak for the new Mac Pros, but I really like the PM G5...lots of room for expansion, fast...just a dream for digital imaging.
Makes me hate working on PCs, but that's life in the office.

Schucz
10-31-200731st October 2007, 04:14 AM
What do you think?

Pretty much the only feature I use is stacks. The new finder is acceptable, but I still find myself going back to Path Finder every once and a while. And I don't use Spaces because I have a second monitor, I don't really need it.

I plan on getting another external hdd for Time Machine, so that will be something useful.

But other then that, it's business as usual. The updated look is nicely done, I think. I love the new 3D dock and the transparent menu bar. The new popup menus with rounded corners are also a nice touch. They also tweaked the shadow on windows; it's longer but also more subtle -- a good improvement.

Other then that, I think it feels a bit faster. My Java apps at least feel a bit faster. I use an application called SmartSVN and it likes to eat all of my resources. With Leopard it feels a bit more responsive.

ricwis
10-31-200731st October 2007, 06:38 AM
Using it for several days now, I like it too. My favorite feature is Spaces. Since I have the one monitor, it is a great feature and lets me have several workspaces readily available for what I am doing at the moment. I decided not to use Time Machine since I have a backup routine already in place using Super Duper. I am still waiting for Super Duper to get upgraded to work properly with Leopard.

I too find things really snappy. I notice it mostly in Photoshop and the Neat Image filter, which seemed to bog down on my older machine.

The price of admissions was worth it for the mosaic screen saver. Sometimes I will just watch it do its thing. I like the dock and the overall look. I know its eye candy but that adds to the enjoyment of using the system.

I was surprised to find the firewall is off by default on installation. Maybe the same tester wannabee who tested Time Machine and Aperture worked on that too and let it slip in. Probably a good idea to go to System Preferences and then Security and review the firewall settings.

There are a lot of changes under the hood that we don't see. It is interesting to read about them and have a somewhat basic understanding of how things work better like applications using dual processors.

Mao
10-31-200731st October 2007, 08:45 PM
Rudi, I got to try Mao's mac laptop (macbook pro?) when we were in Canada. There were some quirky things about it, but that could've been partly due to no mouse. It took me a bit but I finally got the hang of it and using Aperture (or Lightroom?). I should really not type messages before finishing my first cup of coffee.... :)

Anyway, I will seriously be looking at a Mac the next round of computer upgrades.

Don't do it Kevin! You'll never want to part with it.

Oh, umm. it's ok Kevin, the MacBook Pro wasn't quirky. You're so used to a PC that the first few go's at a Mac is awkward. But, it goes away fast.

For what you do, I'd suggest the Mac Pro.